In Response to "Sorry, but Obama IS black..."

This is my first diary and it is in response to WhackyLiberal's recent diary "Sorry, but Obama IS black".
I understand that it is not polite to post a diary aimed at an individual, as it may be construed as a personal attack, but I assure this is not an attack. Rather, I wish to extract some reasonable points of WhackyLiberal's diary in hopes of promoting discussion.

First, I would like to propose a truce. Reasonable people should be allowed to discuss Obama's race without being labeled racist. Just as reasonable people must be able to criticize Israel without being accused of anti-Semitism. It is a prerequisite to productive discussion, and if you disagree then please feel free to restrain from commenting (or comment as to why you disagree).

I agree with WhackyLiberal that Obama would not be the superstar he is today if he was just another white male. His allure is his race, his background, and his story. This is not to say that Obama is not a good candidate, or that he would not be a good candidate if he was white. But he surely would not be the powerhouse he is today if he was a generic white male with a generic back story.  Think about JFK. His allure was his youth, his religion and his background. Would he have been the inspirational figure he was if he had the characteristics and back story of Jimmy Carter? Somehow, I seriously doubt it.

This does not, however, detract from Obama's legitimacy as a candidate. All of us have characteristics and histories that are not malleable. At this moment in history, Obama's specific set of characteristics carry a powerful appeal, and he is using this to his advantage. As he should. (Much of) America wants what Obama has to offer, which says some pretty impressive things about America. We want the black man, with the unusual life story and the funny name. But we must be careful that this is not all we want. We must also look at a candidate's policies, their integrity and their track record.

We here at MyDD have a skewed perspective. I doubt any of us support Obama simply because he is black, or because we are romanced by his history or charisma. We are too immersed in political culture to be swayed so easily. We want detailed policy proposals, proven progressive street cred, and, for some of us, electability. But we must ask ourselves, is this what the rest of America is concerned with? Well, no, it's not. Much of our electorate places undue value on the superficial characteristics of a candidate. We need to recognize that when we analyze why Obama draws these unparalleled crowds at rallies, and why he is doing so well in the polls. After all, he is very new to the national landscape and is inexperienced compared to some other candidates. Yet he polls far above the rest of the field, save for Hillary.

It goes without saying that I disagree with much of what WhackyLiberal said in his diary. But he is right in reminding us that Obama is the black candidate, and the most popular black candidate in American history. We must recognize this, and discuss it openly in order to understand what it means to us and to the rest of this country. And we can only do so if we restrain ourselves from accusations of racism. We are all progressive, politically involved individuals. Let's give each other some credit.


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Re: In Response to Obama IS black..." (3.00 / 2)

I don't get the relevance of saying he would not be such a superstar if he was just another white male.  Of course there's nothing compelling about some who is just another...anything.   He is unusually charismatic and self-confident.  Many people have remarked that he has always had a special way about him that gives you the impression of someone who is unusually comfortable in his own skin.  He is remarkably persuasive.  He has an unusual ability to bring people together, to make people who are diametically opposed to him philosophically feel that at least they will get a fair hearing with him.  These types of remarks are constantly heard from the people who knew him at Harvard, to the people he worked with in South Chicago, to lawyers and other law professors, to the Illinois Senators to the US Senators.  This is what sets him apart in addition to his writing and speaking ability and his intelligence.

So I think it is incorrect to assume he would be just another white guy if he possessed the same charisma but simply had a white father.  He would still be special. He would get the JFK label applied even more than he does now.  

But what is the point of this?  The fact is he is who he is.  He is not simply Black, he's mixed, and that's very important.  He epitomizes both the immigrant's American Dream and the Black Man's American Experience.  He is a child of the Civil Rights movement yet he has experienced first hand the lingering effects of racism.  He is an embodiment of exactly what we as Americans want to stand for when we proudly hold up the constitution and talk about the greatness of this country.  He has the type of resume we rarely get in a Presidential candidate - someone who has walked the hallowed halls of Harvard law school and the mean streets of South Chicago.  He has lived in the center of this country and on the fringes.  

So would he be the same guy if he wasn't the same guy? Isn't that what you are asking?  The label "superstar" or "rockstar" is really a perjorative intended to diminish the movement he has built as being somehow inauthentic or irrelevant.  It's possible he could pull the large crowds, and even possible he could poll well if it was just curiosity.  But there is no way he could have raised the type of money he has with the amount of contributors based solely on hype.  Obama is building a movement because he speaks directly to what is at the heart of the dissatisfaction in this country.  We are sick of the cynicism that has completely engulfed our politics and oozed into the mainstream of our culture.  We want change, real change, not the fake change offered up by the same old same old.   And most off all, we want to say to the world, and to ourselves, that this country and all of us as Americans stand for something good.  We have someone in Obama who is the perfect vehicle for that expression and at the same time is the most prophetic, intelligent, and potentially effective politician we have seen in a very long time.  That is an extremely powerful combination.


by dougdilg on Sat May 12, 2007 at 07:02:51 PM EST

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"I don't get the relevance of saying he would not be such a superstar if he was just another white male."

The relevance matters less to us and more to the general electorate. That is one thing I am trying to point out. As a regular reader here, I am sometimes amazed at how commenters and diarists don't even mention that HRC is a woman and Obama and Richardson are racial minorities. I believe this is because we are concerned with 'more important' things like policy. But the rest of America does not have such a analytical point of view. They are, in my very humble opinion, easily dazzled and romanced.

So when we try to account for Obama's popularity, I think we must remember that a big part of this is his race. Other big parts are his back story, novelty, and, yes, his truly impressive speaking skills and a very appealing message.

He doesn't just sound different than your run-of-the-mill politician - he looks different too. And in American politics, that counts.


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by LandStander on Sat May 12, 2007 at 07:10:28 PM EST
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I don't think it's mainly race, at least not Black.  Back in 2000, Newsweek magazine had a cover story about The Changing Face of America.  The great majority of America is ethnically mixed in some way and yet we still talk in racial terms.  If you want to point to one thing which sets him apart to the general electorate beyond who he is an a person, then I think it Generational, not race. And thinking it's race is an indication of that generational divide.  He is not a baby boomer.  He is not a child of the Sixties and of the politics forged by the Vietnam War.  And thank God for that.


by dougdilg on Sat May 12, 2007 at 07:23:43 PM EST
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Man are your comments diary worthy.  Those are some damn good arguments.  Bravo.


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by lovingj on Sat May 12, 2007 at 10:08:59 PM EST
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well, in a way bill clinton was about background (none / 0)


so was john edwards. each candidate distinguishes themselves with a background story. i mean, what is special about john edwards?

what is special about bill clinton? each one had an interesting story about where they get their essence from.

what whakkyliberal misses is that minority candidates are more crippled by race than are helped by race. when barack was an obscure state senator, who would've taught that he could raise money like a white guy with his accomplishments.

race hinders blacks more than it helps them and it is always insulting to hear white males suggest that every high profile black guy is benefiting from latent affirmative action.

barack is a self-made(unlike mrs. clinton for instance) pol. he had to run around like every one looking for small donations. he had to fight to get bills passed without high profile advisors. and he had to win the illionois primary not because of race but because of his own talents.

kerry was impressed with his magna cum laude harvard law credentials and his surprise win in the illinois primary, and tapped him for the DNC.

he kicked the ball out of the park with his self-written powerfull speech which clicked with most americans.

and yes, in 2002, he didn't need high profile advisors to write his nuanced prophetic anti-iraq invasion speech.

barack is self made and only benefiting from the same 'charisma' that propelled white candidates like bill clinton, JFK, Ronald Reagan, RFK.

if you can't give barack credit for his accomplishmenst then i wonder who...


by pmb on Sat May 12, 2007 at 07:12:25 PM EST

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"race hinders blacks more than it helps them and it is always insulting to hear white males suggest that every high profile black guy is benefiting from latent affirmative action."

Ultimately, yes. But in the democratic primary, I might disagree. I am in the same age group as many of the Obama youth vote, and I feel compelled to support him because he is black. I think a lot of young people feel the same way. It just 'feels' good to finally have an option that isn't another white male. And I think people are drawn to that (and, of course, many other aspects of the Obama candidacy). Clearly, this 'advantage' will quickly turn into a disadvantage in the GE. Race will most certainly hinder Obama's chances of being elected. (though I am confident he could win, I doubt it would be a landslide, for this very reason).


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by LandStander on Sat May 12, 2007 at 07:19:00 PM EST
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Re: well, in a way bill clinton was about backgrou (3.00 / 1)

Hillary Clinton had her own career. Try to be factual.


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by robliberal on Sat May 12, 2007 at 07:30:22 PM EST
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Re: well, in a way bill clinton was about backgrou (none / 0)

Hillary Rodham Clinton has had her own distinguished career, but her prominence (and Bill's success) is mostly due to her partnership with President Clinton.
I mean how does Hillary Clinton win a Senatorial primary in the state of New York without Bill?
by McFrederick on Sat May 12, 2007 at 11:27:49 PM EST
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Re: well, in a way bill clinton was about backgrou (none / 0)

The same way other women have won elective office.


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by robliberal on Sat May 12, 2007 at 11:30:01 PM EST
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Re: well, in a way bill clinton was about backgrou (none / 0)

Maybe she would have spent the 20 years from the mid 70s through the mid 90s building her own career instead of lending support to her husband. Is it really so inconceivable?


by Baldrick on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:29:18 PM EST
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She did build a career and was one of the most successful women in the United States.


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by robliberal on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:39:01 PM EST
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Re: well, in a way bill clinton was about backgrou (none / 0)

Not in elective political office.  You have to admit that it is pretty rare to start out at the US senate in a state where you are not native.  She is obviously smart and talented enough to have built up her own career if she hadn't been helping Bill for his run, but she hadn't won an election for anything in 1999.


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by Valatan on Sun May 13, 2007 at 02:59:49 PM EST
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It is not that rare at all actually. Bobby Kennedy, Mitt Romney, Kathleen Sebelius are a few that come to mind from the top of my head who were elected from their non-native state.


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by robliberal on Sun May 13, 2007 at 04:51:06 PM EST
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Re: well, in a way bill clinton was about backgrou (none / 0)

Well sure, but she probably would have been doing something during those years other than being First Lady.  So she wouldn't have been running out of nowhere.  I guess it's true that she wouldn't have had a chance of winning had she simply emerged from the ether in 1999 absent the Clinton presidency, but  I'm not at all convinced that if she was still Hillary Rodham we wouldn't have a Senator Rodham right now.  So to some extent, she got credit in her Senate campaign not just for the Clinton name but also for a recognition that she would have a substantial name of her own if things had been different.


by Baldrick on Mon May 14, 2007 at 12:56:52 AM EST
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I think we mostly agree.  Reread the second sentence of my above post.


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by Valatan on Mon May 14, 2007 at 01:24:01 AM EST
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